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  1. Actually the Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith already issued a clarification on the use of the term subsists. This was made on June 29, 2007. The CDF was then headed by Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger.

    • Yes sir. I’ve read that clarification from CDF. I was just not able to quote from it because the word count of my article almost reached its limit.

      Thank you sir.

    • You are welcome Robertson.  I have also read your explanation on why you are attending SSPX masses.  I am glad to know that you are well aware that these masses while valid remains to be illicit or illegal since these are done contrary to the law of the Church and in the spirit of rebellion against the Magisterium of the Church which upholds both the ordinary and extraordinary form of the mass.  While the Church allows a person to attend SSPX masses for reasons of personal preference and devotion to the TLM it also strongly discourage these attendance for reasons which I think are already clear to you.  I understand your situation and I continue to pray that you will be able to adjust to the ordinary form of the mass celebrated according to the directives of the Magisterium and that a TLM may soon be celebrated in your parish by priests who are in full communion with the local Bishop and the Pope.

    • Thank you very much for understanding my situation and also for your prayers. I appreciate it very much. Like you, I hope that our Parish would conduct TLM. Not only our parish, but every parish so that those who love TLM don’t need to look for it away from their own parish.

    • One more piece of advice bro Robertson.  Vatican 2 teaches that the Church rejects nothing which is good in other religion.  If this is true for the non-Christian religions then how much more for our separated brethren who like us have faith in Christ.  Thus even songs composed by our separated brothers can also be assimilated into our own form of worship as long as they do not contain anything which is contrary to the faith. It is not enough to say that you have nothing against the ordinary form of the mass.  You have to show it in practice.  To me, the ordinary form of the mass celebrated by an authorized priest of the Church is always to be preferred to the extraordinary form of the mass celebrated by priests who are not in full communion with the local bishop and the Pope.  Not attending SSPX masses are our way of telling them that we are not happy with their rebellion against the Church, that we are on the side of the Pope, and a silent invitation to them to return to the Church for the flock will never listen to their sermons and will have nothing to do with them as long as they remain in their schismatic position.

    • Thank you very much for the advice sir.

      Yes, I agree. Vatican 2 teaches that the Church rejects nothing which is good in other religion. If this is true for our separated brethren, I think it is also true with the SSPX. Again, the will of the Church regarding this matter is permissive. So I think I am permitted to attend TLM because the Church rejects nothing which is good even in SSPX, and TLM is good.

      When it comes to being on the side of the Pope, I am on the side of the Pope. And even the Pope himself is not telling any words against SSPX. So, on my part, I do not want to join the debate among Catholics which most of the time becomes name calling and insulting.

      I will defend the Church (which is not my primary objective in this blog) against the attacks of the Protestants, and I will leave that matter (regarding SSPX) to its leaders. As per PCED, it is an internal matter within the Church.

      And again, as long as it is permissive to attend SSPX Mass, and as long as there is no TLM in our parish, I will attend their Masses.

      I do attend Novus Ordo Masses. There was even a time that I attend Novus Ordo Masses almost everyday in San Sebastian Parish, Quiapo Manila. Yes, I have nothing against Novus Ordo Masses (minus the liturgical abuses, of course), and I am showing it in practice.

      Again, thank you very much.

  2. [The one Church of Christ is in the Catholic Church. Sa Filipino, “Ang isang Simbahan ni Kristo ay umiiral sa loob ng Simbahang Katoliko”.]

    TAMA ITO. ANG IISANG IGLESIA AY UMIIRAL SA LOOB NG IGLESIA CATOLICA. KAYA MALI ANG INTERPRETATION NG MGA ULTRA TRADITIONALISTS NA MAS MALAKI ANG IGLESIA KESA SA CATHOLIC CHURCH. NASA LOOB NGA NG IGLESIA CATOLICA ANG CHURCH E KAYA “subsistit in”. IMPOSIBLENG NASA LABAS NG CATHOLIC CHURCH ANG ‘CHURCH’.

    [Tapos sinundan pa ang statement na, “many elements of sanctification and of truth are found outside of its visible structure” na naging dahilan kung bakit inisip ng mga “traditionalist” na ang implikasyon nito ay mas malaki ang Simbahan ni Cristo kesa sa Simbahang Katoliko.]

    ANG TINUTUKOY LANG DITO AY MERON DING MGA ELEMENTONG TAMA O ELEMENTO NG KABUTIHAN, KATOTOHANAN O KABANALAN SA IBANG GRUPO. SUBALIT HINDI KUMPLETO ANG NASA KANILA. NASA IGLESIA CATOLICA ANG FULLNESS OF TRUTH AND SANCTIFICATION. WALANG SINABI DIYAN NA ANG CHURCH IS GREATER THAN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH. THAT IS TOO MUCH STRETCH OF IMAGINATION.

  3. Dear Robert…

    Concerning the SSPX the POPE EXCOMMUNICATED ITS LEADER. That is the most terrible punishment in the Church. Is there a need for the Pope to excommunicate the SSPX members one by one before they become wrong in your sight?

    The Pope actually spoke negatively against them. He told them that THEY DON’T HAVE CANONICAL STATUS IN THE CHURCH. What negative thing do you want to hear from the Pope cursing them in public? That is already the Canonical way of saying that THEY ARE NOT OK. Dios mio, ang lider EXCOMMUNICATED, ANG MATRIMONY NILA INVALID, CONFESSIONS INVALID, ANG MASSES ILLICIT. GOSH, PANO NAGING OK ANG MGA IYAN?

  4. There is a higher Office in the Holy See than the PCED and that is the SCDF: SACRED CONGREGATION FOR THE DOCTRINE OF THE FAITH OR THE OFFICE OF THE HOLY INQUISITION if you prefer the old name. Here is the statement of the PREFECT OF SCDF:

    Cardinal Gerhard Müller, Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, to Italian daily Corriere della Sera, published Sunday 22nd December, 2013, states SSPX is in Sacramental Schism, de facto:

    With the failure of discussions, what is the position of the Lefebvrians?

    “The canonical excommunication due to the illicit [episcopal] ordination was lifted from the bishops, but the sacramental one remains, de facto, for the schism; because they have removed themselves away from communion with the Church. That being said, we do not close the door, ever, and we invite them to reconcile. But they also must change their approach and accept the conditions of the Catholic Church and the Supreme Pontiff as the ultimate criterion of belonging.”

    THE SSPX IS DE FACTO IN SACRAMENTAL SCHISM. NOT INCLUDING THE FACT THAT THEIR LEADER LEFEBVRE WAS EXCOMMUNICATED NO LESS THAN BY ST. JOHN PAUL THE GREAT AND UNDER CARDINAL RATZINGER AS PREFECT OF SCDF THEN. I cannot understand how these terrible things can be manipulated by them so that they can DEODORIZE THEMSELVES to some Catholics like you to appear OK.

  5. DECLARATION OF HIS HOLINESS POPE BENEDICT XVI ON SSPX explaining their lack of Canonical status on Doctrinal level despite the removal of excommunication on the 4 Bishops consecrated by Lefebvre, dated March 10, 2009.

    “The remission of the excommunication was a measure taken in the field of ecclesiastical discipline: the individuals were freed from the burden of conscience constituted by the most serious of ecclesiastical penalties. This disciplinary level needs to be distinguished from the doctrinal level. The fact that the Society of Saint Pius X does not possess a canonical status in the Church is not, in the end, based on disciplinary but on doctrinal reasons. As long as the Society does not have a canonical status in the Church, its ministers do not exercise legitimate ministries in the Church. There needs to be a distinction, then, between the disciplinary level, which deals with individuals as such, and the doctrinal level, at which ministry and institution are involved. In order to make this clear once again: until the doctrinal questions are clarified, THE SOCIETY HAS NO CANONICAL STATUS IN THE CHURCH, and its ministers – even though they have been freed of the ecclesiastical penalty – DO NOT LEGITIMATELY EXERCISE ANY MINISTRY IN THE CHURCH.”

    THESE ARE TERRIBLE WORDS ROBERT. I DON’T KNOW HOW SATAN CAN MAKE THESE WORDS APPEAR AS IF THEY ARE OK FOR CATHOLICS TO BE WITH.

    • SIEMPRE KASI KATOLIKONG TUNAY AKO AT GALIT AKO SA MGA TRAIDOR SA SANTO PAPA TULAD NG MGA SSPX. IKAW BA OK LANG SA IYO ANG SSPX NA ANG LIDER AY ISANG EXCOMMUNICADO? KELAN PA NAGING OK ANG ILLICIT NA GRUPO SA SANTA IGLESIA? HINDI SILA IN SCHISM? SINONG NAGSABI SA IYO? ANG SABI NG CARDINAL PREFECT OF THE SACRED CONGREGATION FOR THE DOCTRINE OF THE FAITH WHO IS HIGHER IN AUTHORITY THAN THE PCED THE SSPX ARE IN SCHISM:

      Cardinal Gerhard Müller, Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, to Italian daily Corriere della Sera, published Sunday 22nd December, 2013, states SSPX is in Sacramental Schism, de facto:

      With the failure of discussions, what is the position of the Lefebvrians?

      “The canonical excommunication due to the illicit [episcopal] ordination was lifted from the bishops, but the sacramental one remains, de facto, for the schism; because they have removed themselves away from communion with the Church. That being said, we do not close the door, ever, and we invite them to reconcile. But they also must change their approach and accept the conditions of the Catholic Church and the Supreme Pontiff as the ultimate criterion of belonging.”

      ALAM MO BA IYAN?

    • Hindi ako galit sa kanila.. Ang Santo Papa nga gumagawa ng paraan para iaabot ang kamay niya niya sa Member ng SSPX. Dapat dialouge.. Di ako sang ayon sa ginagawa ng SSPX.. Pero naiintindihan ko sila.. Look at the mass now. It is a mess. Pede mong pagkamalan Protestant Service. May sumasayaw, may kung ano anong pinapagawa sa nag congrgation. Nandun pinapataas ang kamay, pumapalakpak. Nandun ung pari kala mo kung magsermon born again pastor. Meron pang misa na ginagawa kahit hindi aprove ng Roma, Inculturation tawag dun. Baka kilala mo sa Fr. Diwa. May paring di vested ng tama. May kung ano anong idinadagdag sa misa na di kasama sa Rubrics. ANg ayos ng simbahan parang d simbahang katoliko. Nasaan ang sense of sacredness?

      Di ako against sa Novus ordo mass. Pero sana naman gawin ng tama. Bawasan ang Liturgical abuse.. O tanggalin na ng tuluyan. Kung may sabay na misa na nagaganap isang Novus at isang TLM dun ako sa TLM.

      Saka Sir wag maiinit ang ulo mo.. Kaya walang napag uusapan ng maayos e.. lahat maiinit ang ulo..

      I am praying for their return to the Fold. I am also praying that crisis of the Liturgy today will be soon over..

      NO TO LITURGICAL ABUSE!!!!

    • Haha.. SIr Berto alam ko po.. Triny ko pong maging magalang sa pag sisiswalat ng aking saloobin.. haha

      Kaya lang I am fed up na sa mga liturgical abuses na ginagawa ng ibang Pari.. Lalo na ung mapapanood mong Misa ni Fr. M. S. sa TV Naku po.. Folk Dance presentation ata with matching tambourine..

      Saka Sir dapat kung Pari sya, di sya nagpapahayag ng Galit.. Dapat ipagdasal nya ung mga kaaway niya.. Love your enemies eka nga.

  6. THANK YOU SO MUCH BERTO.

    NOW LET ME RESPOND TO JEFF:

    [Hindi ako galit sa kanila..]

    AKO GALIT AKO SA KANILA KASI MAS PABOR PA SILA SA LIDER NILANG EXCOMMUNICATED KESA SA MGA BANAL NA SANTO PAPA NA SIYANG VICARIO NI CRISTO SA LUPA. AYON SA DOGMA NG VATICAN I [Take note: VATICAN I AND NOT VATICAN II] ANG SANTO PAPA ANG SIYANG MAY SUPREME AND ABSOLUTE POWER IN THE UNIVERSAL CHURCH. BAKIT HINDI SINUSUNOD NI LEFEBVRE AT NG KANYANG MGA TAGASUNOD? SINONG MATINONG TAO ANG MATUTUWA DIYAN? TULAD NILA AY MGA SUWAIL. REBELLIOUS AND DISOBEDIENT LOT.

    [Ang Santo Papa nga gumagawa ng paraan para iaabot ang kamay niya niya sa Member ng SSPX.]

    ANG SANTO PAPA GUMAGAWA NG PARAAN PARA IABOT ANG KAMAY NIA MULA KAY VEN. POPE PAUL VI [soon to be BLESSED PAUL VI], SERVANT OF GOD JOHN PAUL I, ST. JOHN PAUL THE GREAT, BENEDICT XVI AND NOW POPE FRANCIS LAHAT SILA GUMAWA NG PARAAN PARA MAGBALIK ANG SSPX SA FULL COMMUNION KASO ANG SSPX ANG AYAW. THEY REFUSED AND THEY CONTINUE TO REFUSED. SINONG MATUTUWA SA GANYAN?

    [Dapat dialouge..]

    HA HA HA TALAGA? DAPAT DIALOGUE? ANG PROBLEMA E AYAW NG SSPX NG DIALOGUE E. ANG DIALOGUE AY TURO NG VATICAN II. IYAN AY TURO NI ST. JOHN XXIII, VEN. PAUL VI, ST. JOHN PAUL THE GREAT, BENEDICT XVI AND FRANCIS I. ANG SSPX ANTI DIALOGUE. ANG GUSTO NILA SILA ANG MASUNOD. LAHAT NG OBISPO NG BUONG DAIGDIG AT ANG MGA POPE DAPAT SUMUNOD SA KANILA. ANO YON? PRIDE ANG TAWAG DUON. SA TAGALOG ANG TAWAG DON AY “KAPAL NG APOG”. HA HA HA

    [Di ako sang ayon sa ginagawa ng SSPX..]

    MABUTI NAMAN. GOOD FOR YOU. SINONG MATINONG CATOLICO ANG SASANG-AYON SA GINAGAWA NILA? MGA REBELDENG PROTESTANTE AT MGA EREHE LANG ANG SASANG-AYON SA GANON.

    [Pero naiintindihan ko sila..]

    TALAGA? WOW NAMAN. NAIINTINDIHAN MO PALA SILA TAPOS HINDI KA SANG-AYON SA KANILA. HA HA HA ANO YAN LOKOHAN? KUNG HINDI KA SANG AYON SA KANILA IBIG SABIHIN ALAM MO NA MALI ANG GINAGAWA NILA. DAPAT NAIINTINDIHAN MO NA MALI SILA. HA HA HA… ANO BA YAN? NILOLOKO MO YATA KAMI PATI NA ANG IYONG SARILI? NAGTATANONG LANG… HA HA HA

    [Look at the mass now. It is a mess.]

    MESS? THE MASS NOW IS SO BEAUTIFUL. IT IS VERY ORDERLY. SIMPLE AND ELEGANT. THE LANGUAGE IS UNDERSTANDABLE TO PEOPLE SO THAT MORE AND MORE LAY PEOPLE NOW READ THE SCRIPTURES, KNOW THE LITURGY AND THAT IS WHY THERE IS AN INCREASE OF LAY CATHOLIC APOLOGETIC MOVEMENT ALL OVER THE WORLD.

    MAY BE THE ‘MESS’ IS EXISTING IN YOUR MIND AND NOT IN OUR MASS TODAY.

    [Pede mong pagkamalan Protestant Service.]

    TANGA LANG ANG MAGKAKAMALANG PROTESTANT SERVICE ANG CATHOLIC MASS TODAY DAHIL WALA NAMANG MISA ANG PROTESTANTE. MULA UMPISA HANGGANG HULI VERY CATHOLIC ANG MISA NGAYON. ACTUALLY IT IS ESSENTIALLY THE SAME WITH TLM. MGA BURLOLOY LANG ANG INALIS:

    1. Entrance Procession
    2. Sign of the Cross
    3. Penitential Rite: Confiteor anad Kyrie
    4. Gloria
    5. Collect or Opening Prayer
    6. Readings
    7. Creed
    8. Offertory
    9. Preface
    10. Anaphora/Eucharistic Prayer
    11. Pater Noster
    12. Communion
    14. Final Blessing

    ALIN DIYAN ANG PROTESTANT?

    ACTUALLY ANG PROTESTANTISM CAME DURING THE TIME NA LATIN MASS ANG MISA NG SANTA IGLESIA. NOW, THERE ARE MORE CONVERSIONS IN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH DAHIL SA PAULINE MASS. DR. SCOTT HAHN, STEVE RAY AND ABOUT 6,000 PROTESTANT MINISTERS AND PASTORS BECAME CATHOLICS BECAUSE OF THE PAULINE MASS. KASO HINDI IYAN TINUTURO SA INYO NG SSPX. NILILIHIM NILA IYAN. PURO NEGATIVES ANG SINASABI. DITO LANG SA U.S. LAST EASTER VIGIL MAHIGIT 150,000 ADULT BAPTISMS OF CONVERTS WERE DONE. IN HONGKONG THERE WERE 3,000 CHINESE FAMILIES CONVERTED AND BAPTIZED IN THE SAME EASTER VIGIL. AT GINAWA ANG MGA IYAN SA PAULINE MASS.

    KUNG ANG MISA NG SSPX AY ANTIDOTE TO PROTESTANTISM BAKIT HINDI SILA NAKAKA CONVERT NG MARAMING PROTESTANTS? BAKIT? KASI PROTESTANTE DIN SILA. PROTESTANTE DIN SILA NA NASA ANYONG TRADITIONAL CATHOLICS KUNO.

    [May sumasayaw, may kung ano anong pinapagawa sa nag congrgation.]

    WALA SA RITUAL NG PAULINE MASS ANG SAYAW. KUNG MAY NAGSASAYAW MAN SPECIAL OCCASIONS IYON TULAD NG MGA CATHOLIC CHARISMATIC MASSES NA APPROVADO NG SANTO PAPA. GINAWA IYON DAHIL MILYONG MILYONG CATOLICO ANG NAG REQUEST SA POPE NA GUSTO NILA NG LIVELY AND JOYFUL EXPRESSIONS OF FAITH. AYAW NILA NG TLM NA PARANG PATAY AT BUMUBULONG BULONG LANG ANG PARI NA SIYA LANG ANG NAKAKARINIG CONTRARY SA GINAWA NG PANGINOONG JESUS AT NG MGA APOSTOL NA BINIBIGKAS NG MALAKAS ANG INSTITUTION NARRATIVE. AYAW DIN NILA ANG MARAMING MGA BURLOLOY NG TLM NA MASYADONG BAROQUE ANG ITSURA NG MISA. BUTI NA LANG ANG SANTO PAPA AY HINDI MAKITID ANG ISIP. YUNG MGA GUSTONG MAG TLM E DI DUN SILA MAGSIMBA SA VALID AND LICIT PRIESTS DOING SO. AT YUNG MGA GUSTO NG CHARISMATIC SPIRITUALITY DUON SILA SA MGA VALID AND LICIT MASSES FOR THEM.

    ANG PROBLEMA KASI SA IYO GUSTO MO YUN LANG GUSTO MO ANG MASUNOD. HINDI MO TINITIGNAN ANG KAPAKANAN NG IBA. IYAN ANG KATANGAHAN NI LEFEBVRE: SOLA LATINA AT SOLA TRIDENTINA.

    [Nandun pinapataas ang kamay, pumapalakpak.]

    KELAN PA NAGING MASAMA ANG PAGTAAS NG KAMAY? E BAHAGI IYON NG ANCIENT CATHOLIC TRADITION: ORANTE POSTURE IYON. ANG PROBLEMA SA MGA SSPX E TANGA SA TUNAY NA TRADITION NG CATHOLIC CHURCH. HINDI NILA ALAM NA MULTI TRADITION ANG CATHOLIC CHURCH. YUNG KAMAY NG PARI SA TLM SHOULDER-LENGTH LANG. SAAN SA BIBLIA IYON? ANG RAISING OF HANDS TO GOD AY BIBLICAL TRADITION, IT IS ALSO APOSTOLIC AND PATRISTIC.

    KELAN NAGING MASAMA ANG PUMALAKPAK? ANG CLAPPING AY EXPRESSION OF HUMAN APPROVAL, SIGN OF HONOR AND RESPECT. ANONG GUSTO MO PARANG ZOMBIE ANG MGA TAO ARAW ARAW TULAD NIO SA TLM?

    [Nandun ung pari kala mo kung magsermon born again pastor.]

    KESA NAMAN AY FELLAY NG SSPX PURO MGA TSISMIS ANG PINAGSASABI SA MGA SERMONS NIA. KINIKWENTO ANG KANYANG MGA GOSSIPS ABOUT THE VATICAN AND OTHER CHURCH OFFICIALS PARA PABANGUHIN ANG REBELDE NIANG GRUPO.

    THE HOMILIES OF OUR PRIESTS ARE MUCH MUCH BETTER THAN THE HOMILIES IN THE SSPX. KAYA NAMAN ANG MGA CATHOLICS NAMING PALASIMBA AY MAGALING NA DEFENDERS OF THE FAITH SAMANTALANG ANG MGA NAGSISIMBA SA SSPX NAGIGING TANGA SA BIBLIA AT SA CANON LAW AT SA LITURGY. KASI NAHAHAWA SILA NG MGA KAKITIRAN NG ISIP NG MGA SSPX.

    [ Meron pang misa na ginagawa kahit hindi aprove ng Roma, Inculturation tawag dun.]

    HA HA HA INCULTURATION? KUNG HINDI KA BA NAMAN TANGA SA KASAYSAYAN NG LITURGY NG SANTA IGLESIA E SIMULA NUONG PANAHON NG MGA APOSTOL E GINAGAMIT NG SIMBAHAN ANG INCULTURATION: KAYA NGA MERONG BYZANTINE MASS OR GREEK MASS, LATIN MASS, SLAVONIC MASS, MARONITE, UKRAINIAN, SYRO-MALABAR, COPTIC, ETC. BAKIT GREEK AT LATIN LANG BA ANG CULTURE NA PWEDENG GAMITIN SA LITURGY?

    KELAN NAGING MASAMA ANG INCULTURATION? BAKIT ANG TLM GUSTO NG SSPX I IMPOSE SA LAHAT E MARAMING CATHOLICS NGAYON ANG AYAW SA TLM?

    [Baka kilala mo sa Fr. Diwa.]

    SIEMPRE KILALA KO SI FR. DIWA. BAKIT ANO NAMAN ANG KASAMAANG GINAWA SA IYO NI FR. DIWA?

    [May paring di vested ng tama.]

    MALI YON. DAPAT VESTED SILA NG TAMA. SUBALIT MAS MASAMA ANG SSPX VESTED NGA SILA NG TAMA CANONICALLY WALA NAMANG FACULTY AT HINDI IN FULL COMMUNION WITH THE POPE E MAS MASAMA IYON. TINITIGNAN MO ANG DAMIT NG PARI PERO YUNG CANONICAL STATUS NG MGA PARI NG SSPX NA ILLEGAL AT MALI OK LANG SA IYO. ANO BA YAN? DOUBLE STANDARD KA.

    [May kung ano anong idinadagdag sa misa na di kasama sa Rubrics.]

    MALI YON. SUBALIT WALA RIN SA RUBRICS NA DAPAT ANG PARING NAGMIMISA AY ILLICIT AND NOT IN FULL COMMUNION WITH THE POPE AND THE BISHOPS. MAS MASAMA YON. ANG PARING WALANG FACUTLY TO CELEBRATE THE MASS TULAD NG SSPX AY MAS MASAMA.

    [ANg ayos ng simbahan parang d simbahang katoliko.]

    BAKIT? ANG AYOS BA NG SIMBAHAN BAROQUE AND GOTHIC LANG? ANG AYOS NG MGA SIMBAHAN NGAYON AY VERY CATHOLIC YUN NGA LANG MARAMING SIMBAHAN AY SIMPLE LANG DAHIL GUSTO NILANG MAGING WITNESS OF SIMPLICITY HINDI NG MAGARBONG LITURHIYA. PURO GINTO AT MAMAHALING DAMIT ANG GAMIT NG MGA SSPX SAMANTALANG NAKAPALIBOT SA KANILA ANG KAHIRAPAN NG TAONG BAYAN. ISKANDALO YON. THE GOD OF BEAUTY IS ALSO THE GOD OF SIMPLICITY. HINDI DIOS NG MGA BURLOLOY.

    [Nasaan ang sense of sacredness?]

    NANDUON SA SIMBAHANG SIMPLE AT NAGBIBIGAY NG VALID AND LICIT SACRAMENTS. DI TULAD SA REBELLIOUS MASSES NG SSPX NA SUMUSUGAT SA UNITY AND PEACE NG SANTA IGLESIA DAHIL LABAG SA FULL COMMUNION WITH THE POPE AND THE BISHOP. SACRILEHIYO IYON. ISANG KALAPASTANGANAN SA SANTA IGLESIA AT SA PANGINOONG DIOS KAHIT NA ANONG GANDA NG INYONG MGA SUOT NA BURLOLOY.

    [Di ako against sa Novus ordo mass.]

    TALAGA? HOW NICE NAMAN. VERY CONVINCING ANG STATEMENT MO… MAKABAGBAG DAMDAMIN. HA HA HA…

    [Pero sana naman gawin ng tama.]

    TALAGANG GINAGAWA NG TAMA. IKAW LANG NAMAN ANG NAGPAPAMALI KASI MAKITID ANG ISIP MO AT NALASON NA NG PROPAGANDA NG SSPX. ANG TAMANG MISA AY MATATAGPUAN SA SANTA IGLESIANG PINAMUMUNUAN NG SANTO PAPA HINDI SA MGA POPELESS SOCIETY TULAD NG SSPX.

    [Bawasan ang Liturgical abuse..]

    SINO BANG MAY GUSTO NG LITURGICAL ABUSE? KUNG MAGSALITA KA NAMAN E PARANG WALANG LITURGICAL ABUSE SA TLM. PANAHON PA NG MGA APOSTOL MAY LITURGICAL ABUSE NA AT MARAMI RING ABUSES BEFORE VATICAN II. ANG MISA NG SSPX AY LITURGICAL ABUSE KASI ILLICITS YON E. ABUSES YON. ANG BAWAT MISA NA GINAGAWA NG MGA PARING WALANG FACULTY TO CELEBRATE THE MASS AY SACRAMENTAL ABUSE. KALAPASTANGANAN IYON SA DIOS AT SA SANTA IGLESIA.

    [O tanggalin na ng tuluyan.]

    LAHAT NG PANAHON NINANAIS NG SANTO PAPA NA MATANGGAL ANG LITURGICAL ABUSE. KAYA NGA MAY OFFICIAL MISSAL AT MAY MGA APPROVED RITES. ANG PROBLEMA MERONG HINDI SUMUSUNOD TULAD NG MGA SSPX NA MGA REBELDE. THEY ARE LITURGICAL AND SACRAMENTAL AND CANONICAL ABUSERS.

    [Kung may sabay na misa na nagaganap isang Novus at isang TLM dun ako sa TLM.]

    WELL, DUON AKO SA PAULINE MASS KASI KAHIT ANG SANTO PAPA AT ANG BUONG SANTA IGLESIA UNIVERSA AY SA PAULINE MASS NAGSISIMBA REGULARLY. MAS GUSTO KO YUNG SIMPLE AT MAS NAIINTINDIHAN KO HINDI YUNG PARANG RITWAL NA WALANG PAKIALAM ANG PARI SA MGA TAO PARANG NAGLULUTO SA KUSINA NA NAKADAMIT NG DAMIT NI CLEOPATRA. AT LEAST SA PAULINE MASS NARIRINIG NG MGA TAO ANG PAPURI SA DIOS AT NAKIKITA NILA ANG PAG AALAY NG KANILANG PARI TULAD NG PANAHON NG MGA APOSTOL.

    [Saka Sir wag maiinit ang ulo mo..]

    HINDI MAIINIT ANG ULO KO. HINDI KO LANG MATANGGAP ANG MGA ILLICIT AT UNCANONICAL GROUPS NA INTO SACRAMENTAL SCHISM IN THE CHURCH TULAD NG SSPX AYON MISMO SA CARDINAL PREFECT NG SACRED CONGREGATION FOR THE DOCTRINE OF THE FAITH. KELAN MAN HINDI AKO SASAMA SA MGA UTO UTO NG ISANG LIDER NA EXCOMMUNICADO.

    [Kaya walang napag uusapan ng maayos e.. lahat maiinit ang ulo..]

    ABA, IKAW SIGURO ANG HINDI MARUNONG MAKIPAG USAP NG MAAYOS. ANG AYOS AYOS NG MGA TUGON KO. ISA ISA KONG SINASAGOT ANG MGA STATEMENTS MO. PIECE BY PIECE, LINE BY LINE.

    [I am praying for their return to the Fold.]

    YOUR PRAYER IS USELESS UNLESS THE SSPX REPENT OF THEIR REBELLIOUS WAYS AND LEARN OBEDIENCE BEFORE THE VICAR OF CHRIST.

    [ I am also praying that crisis of the Liturgy today will be soon over..]

    THE SSPX IS PART OF THE CRISIS OF THE LITURGY. BEING IN A POPELESS SOCIETY WITH UNCANONICAL AND ILLICIT STATUS IS NOT ONLY A CRISIS BUT AN ACTIVE SCANDAL. SHAME ON THEM.

    [NO TO LITURGICAL ABUSE!!!!]

    TO TO LITURGICAL ABUSE AND NO TO THE SSPX THE REBELLIOUS GROUP OF THE POPELESS SOCIETY OF THE EXCOMMUNICATED TRAITOR. NO TO SSPX’S ILLICIT MASSES, INVALID CONFESSIONS AND INVALID MATRIMONY. GOSH, THAT IS SO DEMONIC. IMAGINE, TWO SACRAMENTS INVALID WITH AN ILLICIT MASS. THAT IS EVIL.

    • I hope that this reply from Father Abe will serve as an eye opener to those who are still attending SSPX masses in the guise of a misguided devotion to the TLM.  I hope that they will realize that the SSPX are just using the TLM in their rebellion against the Pope in order to lure the unwary and unsuspecting Catholics to their lair.  

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  8. [Haha.. SIr Berto alam ko po.. Triny ko pong maging magalang sa pag sisiswalat ng aking saloobin.. haha]

    HA HA HA… NAPAKABAIT NG IYONG ESTUDIANTE SIR BERTO. TALAGANG MAGALANG SA PAGSISIWALAT NG SALOOBIN. IMAGINE, HINDI DAW SIYA SANG-AYON SA SSPX PERO NAIINTINDIHAN NIA SILA. HA HA HA NAKU, PWEDE BA TIGILAN NA ANG LOKOHAN AT KAIPOCRITOHAN. OBVIOUS NA OBVIOUS NAMAN NA MAS KAMPI KA SA MGA REBELDENG TRAIDOR SA SANTO PAPA KESA SA VICARIO NI CRISTO.

    [Kaya lang I am fed up na sa mga liturgical abuses na ginagawa ng ibang Pari..]

    AKO DIN FED UP NA SA LITURGICAL ABUSES NG SSPX. IMAGINE INVALID CONFESSIONS, INVALID MATRIMONY, ILLLICIT MASSES… ANO ANG TAWAG SA MGA IYAN? KELAN NAGING MABUTI ANG INVALID CONFESSIONS AND MATRIMONY AND ILLICIT MASSES?

    [Lalo na ung mapapanood mong Misa ni Fr. M. S. sa TV Naku po.. Folk Dance presentation ata with matching tambourine..]

    KELAN PA NAGING MASAMA ANG TAMBOURINE? MAS MABUTI NA ANG TAMBOURINE KESA SI LEFEBVRE PARANG SIRA ULONG NAGSASALITA MAG-ISA PAGNAGMIMISA. SINONG POPE KAYA ANG BINABANGGIT NILA SA MISA YUNG MGA POPES NA SINISIRAAN NILA?

    [Saka Sir dapat kung Pari sya, di sya nagpapahayag ng Galit..]

    TALAGA? ANO ANG GUSTO MO KUNSINTIHIN ANG INYONG KAPALALUAN? GUSTO NIO KAYO LANG ANG MANINIRA SA PAULINE MASS PERO AYAW NIONG SINASAGOT KAYO? ANG GALING DIN NAMAN PALA NAG UGALI MO GANYANG GANYAN ANG MGA TUTA NI FELIX MANALO AT NI ELI SORIANO. GANYANG GANYAN ANG MGA BORN AGAIN. MAGALING KAYO MANIRA PERO PAG KAYO SINAGOT E NASASAKTAN KAYO.

    [Dapat ipagdasal nya ung mga kaaway niya.. Love your enemies eka nga.]

    YUN PALA E BAKIT GALIT NA GALIT KAYONG MGA SSPX SA VATICAN II E IYAN NGA ANG TURO NG VATICAN II E. KUNWARI PA KAYO PAG PARA SA SARILI NIO GUSTO NIO LOVE PERO PAG SA IBA NA PAG KAYO NA ANG TUMITIRA WALA KAYONG LOVE. KUNG ALIPUSTAIN MO ANG MISA NAMIN WAGAS KA PARA KANG WALANG DUNGIS MANIRA. PERO PAG KAYO SINASAGOT NG AYON SA PANUNTUNAN NIO E UMAAARAY KAYO.

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