11 comments on “Pamamagitan ng mga Santo

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  5. maraming salamat sa blog mo… naliwanagan ako. dati akong bornagain at naging catholic… naiinis ako dahil marami sa bornagain mayabang.. kaya bumalik ako … ngayun naliwanagan n ako… parehas lang naman tayo ng sinasambang Diyos, subalit nagkakaiba lang sa kung paano ito gingawa:)

    • may mayabang talaga.maborn again man o katoliko ngkakataon lang ang nakilala mo na born again mayabang pero meron din naman hindi katulad din sa mga katoliko may mayabang din naman meron ding hindi.sana naman magising at mapag isip natin kung ano ba talaga ang magandang kinalabasan nito yung patuligsa sa bawat isa?anong makuha natin?palagay ba natin naitaas natin ang DIYOS sa pagtuligsa ng bawat isa?religious ka nga naglilingkod sa DIYOS ang puso mo ba ay MAKA-DIOS?

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  7. It is my first time to read a Catholic apologetic to quote a lot from the Bible. I am glad for that, kapatid. At least there is one I met who is deeply rooted in the Word of God. Your answers/defense ay ok sa alright din. Nakikita ko rin naman ang kauhawan ng iba mong kapatid na Katoliko sa init ng Diyos, and I am also (so) glad for that eagerness na nakita ko rin nang dumating si Pope Francis dito. You have a lot of doctrines that testifies that you became indeed faithful and wanted more of God, including these saints. I’m as religious as that sa pagiging Katoliko dati. But I am now with those you call “protestants”—yet for me ang katawagang iyon ay hindi applicable. Ang history ng word na protestant ay lumang-luma na, noon pang nag-umpisang tumitiwalag na ang iba sa Catholic faith. It is more a reform movement then, not a faith. Nowadays it is used for those who are not Catholic, yet signifies nothing. For this time as I am respectful, please respect me (kahit ako lang, kapatid, hehe) and my permission that you would not use protestant to name me, I am a non-Catholic Christian.

    Hehe intro pa lang ‘yun kapatid. Pagpapakilala pa lang😄 And yes, I am more a Christian who is a Bible critic but also knows a lot about history. Di ako nagcomment dito para maghanap ng away, tulad ng iba na maaaring kinairita mo rin. Let us just be like the Bereans in the time of Paul (Acts 17:11) let us examine the Scriptures. At kung papansinin mo, unlike other religious books like Islam’s Qur’an and Hinduism’s Vedas, etc, our Bible is Historical, may unity at harmony ang chronology nito. Then dahil ang Catholic faith ay umusbong after the Bible (the books) are written, let us also examine History dahil isa ito sa pagbabatayan natin. Afterall even not written on the Bible, History is still the truth, and still delights the LORD (Proverbs 12:22), History pa nga ang nagtetestify sa integrity ng Bible.

    Now I want to ask you, Mr. Catholic-defender, these questions against the belief on saints (pardon me kung itong part na ito ay may pagkamatalim),

    (1) but isn’t it that never in the Bible, kahit pa sabihin mong they are Christians like us and part-takers of Christ’s glory, never in the Bible na may nabanggit na “let us pray to the saints in heaven”?

    (2) Also, isn’t the Biblical definition of saints, ay hindi namatay then are canonized, but is defined (primarily in the Jewish context of the Old Testament [written in Hebrew]) as people who are “set apart”, “sanctified”, or was “made holy”? In addition to this, maraming beses sa Bible na everyone who are undefiled by paganism and are faithful to God are saints. Some of these are: 1 Samuel 2:9—the prayer of Hannah, kung saan sinabi niya na bahagi rin naman siya ng saints na dapat Niyang pagtanggol; Psalm 16:3—David claims that those whom God was delighted are saints; Psalm 30:1—David asks those who’re in the temple to sing praises to God, and he called them saints. And there’s a lot more with the same context: holy people, set apart to paganism. Then isn’t everyone of us saints, us who are LIVING here in the WORLD?

    (3) Now let us go to the New Testament. Sa ibang version, holy people ang ginamit, yet sa Jewish and Greek text (in Greek, was hagios), still it is saints. And as I have defined above, holy people: saints. These are some na nabanggit sa Bible: Acts 9:13—ang tawag sa mga sinaktan na Christians ni Saul/Paul ay saints; Acts 9:32—Peter went to the saints, believers, Christians, who lived at Lydda; Acts 26:10—si Paul mismo, sinabi niya na ang mga napapatay niyang Christians ay saints; in these two verses, saints are again defined: Ephesians 5:3—that saints are staying away from immorality and greed, tulad natin ngayon; Revelation 14:12—those who obey God’s commandments and are faithful to Jesus are saints. Actually ang mga verses na ‘yan may kaugnayan sa (2), pero ito talaga ang tanong ko. If the saints UNDER KAY PETER that time doesn’t pray to dead saints, kapwa nila Christians, and pray to God alone, and pray to one another, and believe that they are all saints… hindi ba ito appropriate sa panahon natin?

    (4) Alam ko ang isasagot mo sa (3) ay all of those who are dead are now alive, as He is alive, as He is the Living God, tulad nga ng nabasa ko. Then in your belief of heaven, those saints you believe are alive in their. Pero ito ang tanong: Do they really pray there? Sa book of Revelation pinakita kung papaano ba ang Heaven, di tulad ng inaakala natin na ang lahat ay maputi, kumakanta lang tayong may pakpak sa mga ulap, blahblahblah, but it is totally different. And going back to the question, walang simbahan, walang templo, walang bahay panalanginan sa langit (Revelation 21:22). It is because Jesus and the Father is already there right in front of His saints, there’s no need of praying! What we’ll do there is more of praising and worship kung tutuloy mo pang babasahin ang Revelation, and also we will do a lot of fun, but no impurities, and that’s another subject. Sa langit, totally putol na ang harang sa tao at Diyos, nagkikita na sila, thanks be to Jesus, so there is no praying. Again, in heaven, with God face to face (Revelation 22:4), no church, no temple, no prayer house. Now, please prove to me that they are praying up there in heaven.

    (5) Lastly will be more of History, yet still the truth. In the time of Constantine, the king of Roman empire na nagpatupad na Christianity ang maging national faith nila, there are still pagan worship there. Thanks be to God kung si Constantine talaga ay kinausap Niya para mapatupad ang isa sa mga unang malaking bahagi ng pagkalat ng Kristyanismo. At that time, Christians are outnumbered, patuloy pa silang pinapatay, pinapako, sinusunog, pinapakain sa leon, until Constantine’s reign. Kung babasahin mo pa ang history (para mas madali sana mag-wikipedia ka sa history of Catholics, kaso maraming pinagtakpan doon so read books and sites), nagkaroon ng sigalot sa mga early Christians at sa mga pagans, for the latter thought that Christians will anger their gods. Para mapigilan ang sigalot na ito, the king ordered ang sapilitang conversion to Christianity, na para maging mas madali inuna ang mga pagan-priests. Later on dahil silang mga pagan-priests, na Bahagi/kaporsyento ng unang mga paring Katoliko, at ang ibang bagong Katoliko ay hindi sanay na magworship sa iisang Diyos, na may iisang kwento, they started to recognize other people. Dahil may nanay ang mga diyos-diyosan, they included Mary, mother of Jesus here on earth. Even named people na hindi pa nga sila sigurado kung dapat bang tawaging saints, including Marcus Longinus (search mo kung sino siya, nagtataka ako papano naging santo) bilang pamalit sa mga diyos-diyosan (Marcus Longinus is the saint of warriors, like the Roman god of war, Aries). Later na lang nangyari na ang mga martyrs and heroes of faith ang tinatalagang santo. Now defend this unbiblical history of your saints.

    Pasensya na kapatid kung mahaba, pero gusto ko lang na may explanations din ako kung bakit ko tinanong ang mga ito. Ito ang summarization: (1) Nasaan sa Bible ang maniwala/manalangin sa santo up there in heaven? (2) Isn’t everyone of us saints, tayo na nabubuhay sa mundo? (3) We can pray to one another as saints, but why pray to dead saints? (4) Do you have a Biblical proof that people in heaven are praying, like the saints you know? (5) Defend the dark unbiblical history of your saints.

    I would be glad, and feel nothing bad, if you answer them properly and for righteousness’ sake. I feel it na ito naman ang purpose ng blog mo, to defend your Catholic faith. And I feel too that questioning is also a part of the purpose of this comment box😄 hehe. After all, our God is the God of wisdom, even of critical thinking. I am still reading some of your articles, and I praise God for such wisdom and fire you have. Continue to share that warm fire sa iba nating kapatid sa Katoliko, for I see a lot din na nanlalamig na sa pananampalataya. I’m excited to see your answers bukas o samakalawa, if I won’t be busy. God bless you!🙂 Greetings in the Name of Jesus!

  8. Hi Kuya Berto,

    Gusto ko sanang mabasa ang reply mo sa naunang message kaso private. Would you allow me to read your answers? If not, no problem.🙂

    And by the way, bakit po ninyo naitanong bigla sa kanya yung “Kailan, saan, paano nabuo ang Biblia at sinu-sino ang nagkolekta ng mga Aklat ng Bagong Tipan?” Para po ba subukin ang kaalaman niya?

    Salamat!🙂

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